15-5 Kant and the idea of scale

I must quote here still one more talk with G., once again in connection with cosmoses.

"This is connected with Kant's ideas of phenomena and noumena," I said. "But after all this is the whole point.—The earth as a three-dimensional body is the 'phenomenon,' as a six-dimensional body, the 'noumenon.' "

"Perfectly true," said G., "only add here also the idea of scale. If Kant had introduced the idea of scale into his arguments many things he wrote would be very valuable. This was the only thing he lacked."

I thought while listening to G. that Kant would have been very surprised at this pronouncement. But the idea of scale was very near to me. And I realized that with this as a starting point it was possible to find very much that is new and unexpected in things which we think we know.

About a year afterwards while developing the ideas of the cosmoses in connection with problems of time I obtained a table of time in different cosmoses of which I will speak later on.

这里我必须引述与葛吉夫的另一场谈话，又是关于井然有序的宇宙。

「这和康德的现象与本体的观念有关，」我说，「但毕竟这是整个的重点——地球作为一个三度空间的身体是『现象』，而作为一个六度空间的身体则是『本体』。」

「完全真确，」葛吉夫说，「只是在这里必须加上尺度观念。如果康德在他的议论中引入尺度观念，他所写的很多东西就会非常有价值，这是他唯一缺乏的东西。」

我一面听着一面想着，康德一定会对这见解非常惊讶。但尺度观念对我而言非常亲切，我也明白以这作为一个起点，是有可能在我们自认为熟知的东西当中找到非常新鲜以及出乎预料的东西。大约一年之后，我在发展和宇宙秩序观念有关的时间难题上，完成了一张在不同宇宙中的时间表，这我随后会谈。